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On Sarah Silverman, Mental Illness And Having Kids

On Sarah Silverman, Mental Illness And Having Kids

“I don’t want kids. I know that I have this depression and that it’s in my family. Every family has their stuff but, for me, I just don’t feel strong enough to see that in a child.” These are words from comedian Sarah Silverman, discussing her mental health and her decision not to reproduce because of it.

Her comments inspired an article in TIME Healthland, bringing up a very interesting question: “Do people with depression or other psychological problems have any moral obligation to forgo bearing children in order to avoid passing on their “bad” genes?”

This question really caught my attention on a personal level. I’ve dealt with depression, anxiety and a whole slew of psychological issues since before I can remember. I’ve always known that if I have children, it’s very likely that they will inherit my overly sensitive mind, the intensity with which I feel everything from the wilting of a flower to the death of a family member, and the anxiety that turns every minor problem I encounter into a travesty of epic proportions.

However, I look at the situation differently than Sarah does. When I think about my childhood and the struggles I went through, how they drove me to isolate myself, spending most of my time in my room and on the computer, thinking, reading, writing and creating, there’s nothing I’d go back and change. At the time I would have given anything to just be “normal,” but today I’m grateful. My sensitivity, the thing that spawned all my inner turmoil, also helped me understand people and emotions, in turn making me a better artist and a better writer. It’s a difficult path and at times it’s been incredibly shitty, but ultimately it’s one that I’ve found rewarding. In fact, it’s something I would be totally okay with passing on to my children, especially with me there to help them along the way.

Now, don’t get me wrong: everyone has different experiences with depression and mental illness, and I don’t speak for anyone but myself. As for Sarah Silverman, she’s just speaking for herself based on what she’s been through, and I don’t fault her for her decision. I completely agree with those who have praised her for her honesty, bravery and sense of responsibility. As TIME says, “People with a parent or sibling with major depression are two to three times more likely than average to develop it themselves.” It’s a serious issue that should be taken as such, as Sarah is doing.

But TIME also posits something else to consider: “…the same genes that can cause depression may also encourage the sensitivity and sensibility that gives Silverman her creative talent.” 

Atlantic writer David Dobbs has called such genes “orchid genes.” Like the finicky flowers, they thrive and outshine ordinary plants when grown in the perfect conditions, but otherwise rapidly wilt and die. In contrast, he describes “dandelion genes,” which allow healthy development, whether the setting is harsh or bountiful.

Some of the genes involved in risk for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), addiction and depression seem to share this quality, leading to vulnerability if early life is difficult but otherwise providing advantages. A recent study found also that people who had genes associated with better memory — a powerful aid to learning and intelligence — were more likely to suffer post-traumatic stress disorder after trauma, compared with those without the same genetic variants. People with better memories had more flashbacks.

…Basically, whether a gene is “good” or “bad” depends on where it “lives” and how it is “raised.” And I would argue that even when people with orchid genes don’t have the benefit of a good early environment, their innate sensitivity to their condition can still often allow talent to flourish.

…This means that if you eliminate the genes that carry these mental-health risks, you may also do away with their associated benefits. The research suggests strongly that the genes associated with our most tragic psychological conditions may also carry the potential for our greatest talents and skills.

Mental illness is something very personal and manifests itself in many different ways. At the end of the day there are lots of people would trade intellectual benefits for a little bit of relief, but there are also those who find ways to use their depression to their creative advantage.

For those of you who have struggled with depression, what are your feelings? Would you or have you had children in spite of it? Feel free to leave us a comment and share.

Written by Rhiannon Payne

Header image courtesy of Kirstin, blog.violetaharrington.com

  • http://twitter.com/jiveturkiye erzsebet bathory

    if she does not want to have children, that is her prerogative. if she feels that her children would grow up to have unhappy and unsatisfactory lives, i do not dismiss her judgment. but she isn’t me, and she isn’t every other woman with a mental condition. i believe that despite my “troubles,” my life is worth living and the world is better off for having had me around. to suggest that there is some moral obligation that only the mentally “desirable” ought to have children is straight up eugenics, and there’s just no defending eugenics, ever.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhiannonmarypayne Rhiannon Payne

      Another great point – thanks for bringing that up! I absolutely agree with you.

  • anonymous

    I’m deliberately commenting as anonymously as possible, by the way

    I am the child of a family of people with mental illnesses and sometimes I resent the hell out of it. There is so much schizophrenia/severe depression/bipolar/crippling anxiety that I–in my late twenties and pretty healthy–am always wondering when it’s going to happen. When am I going to lose it? When will I start hearing voices? When will I be institutionalized? I don’t think it’s the end of the world if it happens but I still would rather it didn’t.

    Also, my childhood was pretty shitty because of my family’s mental illnesses. I was physically and sexually abused as a direct result of one family member’s alcoholism and the other basically sexually abusing everyone around him when he went into a psychotic state. I had to live with these people because my mom was institutionalized.

    Obviously I don’t think you should be barred from having kids if you’re mentally ill, it’s 100 percent your choice, but I do think that it’s worth thinking about how that mental illness will affect your kids–both genetically and by upbringing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/alisse.desrosiers Alisse Marie

      <3

  • www.morganvsmorgan.com

    “I just dont feel strong enough to see that in a child” is the part that I think really sums up what she’s saying here. I think whether or not a person should decide to get pregnant and have a child should be at least in part based on how they percieve they can support it and take care of it. So, if your family has a history of mental illness but you are able to manage it in some way and believe that despite that you will be a good parent, there isn’t any reason you shouldn’t.
    However, if you feel like you’re “not strong enough”, as Silverman said, it probably isn’t a great idea.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhiannonmarypayne Rhiannon Payne

      Exactly. Mental illness and depression is completely and utterly different for everyone. You really have to make the decision based on your specific circumstances and intuition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marlenaraec Marlena Carcone

    Love this article, Rhiannon. This is something I’ve thought a lot about too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/swashbucklingforcharity Sarah Merrill

    This was really nice to read :) I’ve got a lot of social anxiety and some depression as well, but I’m an extremely creative person and I’m ultra-sensitive to things such as music and especially movies. Literally, a beautiful shot can make me want to start sobbing. I always found this to be a flaw, but this shines a nicer light on things. Thank you!

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  • Rachel

    I agree with you so, so much. I have a family history of mental illness and one day when I was about 19 my mother told me that I should seriously consider not having kids because of it. I was confused, because it was out of nowhere and I’ve never shown signs that I inherited my grandmother’s disorder. Turns out my little sister had just been diagnosed. I don’t feel that I should avoid having kids because my sister has a mood disorder. I don’t even think that my sister should avoid having kids, unless she can’t function (which is possible). Being told that I shouldn’t have kids by my own mother made me very angry. Like every pleasure me or my sister has ever experienced is null and void because my baby sister has to take a pill and see a therapist. Like we would have been better off if we didn’t exist. I know my sister doesn’t see it this way, and to me that speaks volumes.