Idiot Nerd Girl Has A Posse: Taking Back The Meme

Meet Idiot Nerd Girl.

Occasionally, Idiot Nerd Girl makes a stupid beginner’s error, or gets caught in a lie about the extent of her involvement in geek (I’m using the terms “nerd” and “geek” interchangeably here – we can fight this one out later) culture. More often, she makes the mistake of professing enthusiasm for something without being intimately familiar with or expertly skilled at it, or while approaching it from a nonstandard angle, or just flat-out liking the wrong thing. Her defenders will tell you that she is a response to “popular kids” who adopt nerd semiotics and styles in an attempt to ride along the geek chic trend without the thumb calluses to back up their Mega Man t-shirts. They’ll insist that the “girl” part is incidental, even when the characteristics and media they’re mocking are blatantly gendered, even when someone inevitably mentions the looming Fake Geek Girl menace.

There is no Idiot Nerd Boy meme.

I hate the Idiot Nerd Girl meme. I hate it for much the same reason Feminspire writer Jessica Bagnall hates it: the entrenched geek misogyny that informs its pretty pink face. I hate it because it’s a convenient distillation of everything I hate about the “fake geek girl” strawman. I hate it because it vilifies enthusiasm. I hate it because, as a member of the geek community and a geek-industry professional, and especially as a feminist geek, I nurture a deep and abiding dislike for gatekeepers.

I hate the Idiot Nerd Girl meme because it’s not just a meme in the diluted ‘net-slang sense. It reflects and recycles and reinforces a bundle of more traditionally defined memes: the sticky and tenacious subtexts and cultural dogmas that justify and normalize misogyny and harassment and make the geek community so seethingly toxic to female members–and especially female newcomers–that it doesn’t even need a formal gate to keep them out. Idiot Nerd Girl is the throwaway byproduct of a culture that regularly responds to criticism from women with flurries of rape threats.

This is what it means to live your life and pursue your passions under the perpetual spectre of backlash: to gauge your professional trajectory against Jade Raymond or Anita Sarkeesian and weigh every word against the possibility that it might focus the roving eye of the mob on you. This is what I see when I look at the Idiot Nerd Girl meme: the colleague who sat on a panel with three men, a subsequent write up of which listed each of the guys by their professional qualifications and her as just “a good-looking gal”; the friend who was cornered by a group of guys in her comics shop who would not and could not believe she really liked comics even when she nailed every question of an impromptu quiz on superhero continuity; visible, vocal, and statistically significant demographics dismissed as nonexistent or irrelevant; geek after geek who’s been ostracized and humiliated for being the wrong gender or the wrong color or the wrong sexual orientation or too pretty or not pretty enough or otherwise failing to meet a narrow rubric designed to justify the insularity of a community that prides itself on being forward-thinking.

I hate the Idiot Nerd Girl meme, but I don’t hate Idiot Nerd Girl. She’s okay by me. I like her weary, wry smile, like she knows what the backlash is going to look like and has decided to say her piece all the same (Yes, I am totally projecting. But what do you think the original meme was doing? The only difference is the angle.). I like the idea of her getting so frustrated with dudes writing her off without listening that she literally self-labeled. I want to invite this kid to D&D night and lend her my dog-eared copy of Game Over. I want to ask her what comics she likes and why she likes them, hook her up with a progressive hackerhive, and generally do my part to build an inclusive community where she can be whatever the hell she wants to be. And if she wants to write “nerd” on her hand without backing it up with action, you know what? That’s okay, too.

I know that a lot of self-identified–and more externally-identified–geeks and nerds are distrustful of outsiders, and that that mistrust is often grounded in an early personal history of harassment and marginalization. I know this because they’re my friends and lovers and colleagues, and because it’s my history, too. Like many of my peers, I looked to the geek community as a safe haven, and by hook, crook, and happy accident, I was lucky enough to land in a corner of it that truly was. I was also lucky enough to come into the social end of the Internet very late; by the time I encountered the million microaggressions of being publicly female in geek culture, I could respond to them from a privileged position, confident in my identity and able to back it up with business cards–a luxury largely unavailable to anyone coming of age in the heyday of social media.

So I decided to take back Idiot Nerd Girl. First, I made a couple memes. Then I asked Twitter to pitch in. Within a few hours, we’d filled about a dozen pages of quickmeme.com. And then I posted some of the new memes and a brief explanation of the project on Tumblr, turned off my computer, and went out to dinner.

When I came back, the post had over a thousand notes. A week later, as I write this, it’s topped 4,000 notes, and there are over 60 pages of mostly new memes.

The new Nerd Girl memes are celebratory. They’re funny, and angry, obscure and prosaic. Some poke fun at recurring themes in the old meme; others speak from personal experience or rehash specific incidents. They’re snarky and sincere, frustrated and frank. But they all come back to a single persistent point:

Taking back idiot nerd girl meme

Written by Rachel Edidin
Rachel is an editor, writer, and chronic Twitter abuser. Follow her there!

http://twitter.com/adampknave Adam P. Knave

Thank you SO MUCH for starting this. Rock on.
http://www.facebook.com/allyhans Ally Hanson

Great article
http://www.facebook.com/alisse.desrosiers Alisse Marie

LOVE.
http://twitter.com/cleojmcc Cleo Josephine

I love this!!
Emma

This is amazing!! I love it.
- anonymouse
  
  you must also love bad jokes..
http://www.facebook.com/Quixoticies Jessica Bagnall

You are the most amazing person in the world! I really, really enjoyed this. You made so many great points, and I am officially a MASSIVE fan of the new meme!
http://twitter.com/OversizedBorg86 James Fogarty

The meme is about the prevalent disingenuous hipster nerd character more than anything else in reality. The gender is simply not relevant, its a lampooning of hipster culture where they pretend to be experts but in reality know very little. To automatically assume that because its a woman it has to be sexist is really stretching it. That’s not to say that there isn’t a unfairness towards the female nerd for both nerdyness or gender because there totally is, and I wouldn’t presume to debate the existence of that sexism. But I just don’t see this meme as being related to that, I could be missing the point but I sometimes think we find these things to be offended about when we look too hard for them. But then again I am a male so I probably don’t know anything.
- http://www.feminspire.com/ Jess Mary
  
  I don’t necessarily disagree with you, actually. Obviously, there is sexism in nerd culture (we have some good pieces here on Feminspire about that sexism). My opinion is that there might be some sexism playing into it and it’s worth talking about.
  
  However, if it is stretching it, so what? She’s not trying to silence the meme, she’s offering a response to it. Dialogue, smartly done dialogue, is always good, and it’s getting people thinking!
  - the green bastard
    
    the thing is, you can’t really change the meme, then it goes out out of context. this is, and will always be, idiot nerd girl. there are plenty of memes involving guys, check the list i posted in response to the white knights comment. but i will thank you for not flipping shit like others on here.
- carlabarla
  
  Gender is “simply not relevant” according to whom? The name of the meme is Idiot Nerd GIRL, not Idiot Noob of Indeterminate Gender. You’re grasping at straws in order to make yourself feel better, friend.
- nurgleth
  
  “Her defenders will tell you that she is a response to “popular kids” who adopt nerd semiotics and styles in an attempt to ride along the geek chic trend without the thumb calluses to back up their Mega Man t-shirts. They’ll insist that the “girl” part is incidental, even when the characteristics and media they’re mocking are blatantly gendered, even when someone inevitably mentions the looming Fake Geek Girl menace.
  There is no Idiot Nerd Boy meme.”
  
  I mean it’s right in the text. Right in the beginning. Did you even read it?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Howard/100000473410384 Robert Howard
  
  Then create an Idiot Boy Hipster Nerd meme and see how far it gets you. Me? I’ll embrace Idiot Girl Nerd and accept her into my gaming group and introduce her to new stuff like anime and scifi and the like.
  - Colon Tenderizer
    
    because you want to get laid right? the meme came because someone saw this girl on his facebook feed, thought it was funny, and made this. if it was a boy he had seen, he would’ve done it with the boy. you can’t make a new one because there is one, if you understood how the internet worked, you’d get why. plus, there’s already tons of memes about guys: scumbag steve, annoying childhood friend, internet husband, harmless scout leader, asian father, college freshman. another good chunk is animals/made of characters, which leaves us with some females.
- the green bastard
  
  good point bud. these feminazi’s are just flipping out because they think equality = being better than men. not all meme’s need a gender partner, there are plently of male memes, some of them negative, i posted some under the name ‘colon tenderizer’ in response to some permavirgin weaboo who’s tired of a pillow and a flesh light as his waifu.
  - Anonymous
    
    “Feminazis,” really? Because advocating for equality is the same as the mass murder of millions of people based on their race and religion?
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errorabbit

Cool idea, but I don’t think you can “take back memes”. In fact, trying to force anything about memes is pretty much futile. But hey, if it works, cool.
kol

Jesus… Seriously, are there girls who can’t live with this meme in existance? What about ignorring things? You write “there is no idiot nerd boy meme”… Make one?
Generally what I see here is adding a whole philosophy to an ignorrant joke, and trying to give it a meaning it doesn’t actually have. Memes usually are politically incorrect, and nobody normal goes and treates them seriously. This whole debate is so over the top…
- http://www.facebook.com/fredriksent Tom Fred
  
  A tenant of feminism is that no issue is too big or too small. Every instance of misogyny is worth fighting. Its not the meme, either, its what it represents: the exclusionist philosophy of male nerd culture. Which is explained in the article if you read it.
Anon the moose

Just wanted to add my 2 cents here, as one of the creators of this meme. It’s not aimed at girls in particular, we just couldn’t find any pictures of boys that would fit the profile. If you can find one, by all means please make an idiot nerd boy meme, it would be something new and interesting.
- http://www.facebook.com/fredriksent Tom Fred
  
  The point of much of the feminist movement is that men often fail to recognize when they are being sexist, or when they are limiting women, or when they are being gatekeepers to the male dominated cultures they inhabit. Men need to recognize that we will never be able to see or understand 100% of the problems women face because WE ARE NOT WOMEN. No matter how much empathy you think you have, you will never truly be able to see what they face. The Male Gaze does not apply to other men, and it never will.
  
  That isn’t to say there is nothing men can do. Its just to
  say that you should never claim ultimate knowledge in an area you have no possible PHYSICAL way of fully understanding.
  
  All that being said, this meme is sexist because of what it is. Idiot Nerd Girl. Idiot Nerd GIRL!!!!! Jesus, it couldn’t be any clearer. It represents posers, yes, but the way it does this is by using a woman. Did you even read the article? No, you probably didn’t. Because if you did you would see that the implicit background behind this meme is actually very dark and specific, its not objectively unbiased in any way, shape or form. It represents the barrier women, particularly attractive women, face when they exhibit enthusiasm in nerd culture, but fail to be experts in everything nerdy. Maybe they aren’t experts because everyone always excludes them for being n00bs?
  Maybe its just new to them as individuals, every nerd wasn’t always an encyclopedia of the Marvel/DC comic continuity from birth. It doesn’t MATTER if you didn’t consciously think of it as sexist at its inception. It is sexist, and that’s reality.
  - Master Perry
    
    How come you didn’t mention the fact that: Women need to recognize that they will never be able to see or understand 100% of the problems men face because THEY ARE NOT MEN?
    
    It seems to me that if you are going to say that exact statement about men, then you should probably say it about women. Isn’t that only fair? After all, shouldn’t every single comment, observation, game, meme, etc. be all inclusive and qualitative for both sexes?
    
    And I believe this comment should be agreed with by all here, and if it is not then I will assume a certain level of latent sexism in your opposition.
I like to game

Consider this: The internet doesn’t hate women, we just like pissing off feminists.
- Emma
  
  Consider this: that’s the same thing.
  - Randall Taylor
    
    Consider this. Not all women feel themselves to be feminists, certainly not all are as reactionary towards jokes as this site is.
Mike

I’ve been into memes for quite a while, geek culture for years and the gaming culture for longer still. I have NEVER seen this meme as saying all female gamers are like this, because they’re not.
It’s just that when someone pretends to be a genius about something they’re not, it irritates the people who have been doing it for years or are taking it more seriously. This isn’t just limited to gaming, it works for academics and art. If you’re a photographer who has been learning the skill for years and someone takes a photo of their eye, makes it black and white and says ‘I’m such a good photographer.’ it will most likely irritate the photographer because the other person is calling themselves something they’re not.
This isn’t restricted to male and female, I get irritated when someone says ‘I play Sims, therefore I am an awesome gamer.’ I personally become irritated as they are assuming themselves to be something they aren’t regardless of their gender.My girlfriend is becoming more and more interesting in gaming. She was a softcore gamer for a while before I dated her, but since she started dating me she has become much more interested and rooted in the gaming world. Although she doesn’t call herself a gamer, she relates to the fact that it is irritating that someone who barely plays games calls themselves a hardcore gamer. It’s the same with some of my best friends who are female and are also big gamers, they get irritated when guys and girls say it, not just when a girl says it.And yes, there are also men who do this, pretending to be good at something they’re not. But it’s not just local to females and gaming, it works with more or less any subject and both genders.
http://www.facebook.com/jordan.payne.14268 Jordan Payne

I hope you guys are joking. I hope this is a fake website like The Onion or Christwire, you guys are just too stupid to be true.
Not amused

I really hope you people are kidding. This entire article is pure, unfiltered cancer. Someone has got to put these feministic twats in an asylum or something.
Christa

Oh, good grief. Has it not occurred that the joke here is not on the girl but on the seriousness with which nerds enshrine their nerdy passions? If you ask me, “Idiot nerd girl” isn’t idiotic…. she’s taunting us for our idiocy in thinking that this crap that we take so seriously actually matters.
Anon

Wow. Seriously, wow. You have in this very comments section a comment from one of the meme’s creators assuring you that the meme has NOTHING to do with the character’s gender. I loved this meme back when it was a big thing (which lasted like a week) and I never thought it was about the fact that Idiot Nerd Girl is a girl – it’s the fact she’s…. well, an “Idiot Nerd”. I think they’re referred to a lot as “posers”.
- http://www.facebook.com/fredriksent Tom Fred
  
  You’re a very dense person if you really believe this. If someone who does something that is “bad” assures everyone that its “not bad”, does that suddenly make it “less bad”?
Paige

The best part about this is that I never actually saw the original Idiot Nerd Girl meme. Ha! Way to co-opt a meme so hard that I thought you WERE the original.
HeadJam

You know what’s a little problematic with this post? The fact that you have co-opted it for a feminist rant. Here’s a newsflash: Not every meme character can be male. If socially awkward penguin had a pink background instead of blue, you’d be complaining that not all women are socially awkward and “the man” is against women and blablabla. You’d probably also complain if all the sayings attributed to Scumbag Steve were on top of a female picture too.

The fact of the matter is that it’s got nothing to do with gender. In fact, I can’t think of a single meme that doesn’t apply to both genders off the top of my head (although I’m sure there must be at least one). There’s really no reason to get your panties in a twist. <—- THAT is a genuinely insulting comment to women, see the diff?
- http://www.facebook.com/fredriksent Tom Fred
  
  You seriously don’t even sort of get it. Like, you missed the mark so badly its not even funny. That penguin thing was so far off the mark you should literally be ashamed of yourself.
  
  Just because something isn’t obviously offensive to you, doesn’t make it not offensive. And the fact of the matter is that its Idiot Meme GIRL! Scumbag Steve is not Scumbag Drug Man. That is why Scumbag Steve is not a gendered thing. Its really very simple, slugger.
  
  Pointing out the gender distinction rings a bell with women because of the real obstacle they face in the nerd culture. Denying that this obstacle exists is irrelevant and doesn’t matter because it does exist, no matter what you think. The point here is less the actual imagery of the meme as much as what it represents to women, and what they feel when they see it. Disregarding what a group of people feel as being false because you don’t feel that way is prejudice at its finest.
  - HeadJam
    
    I am an idiot to reply to this because I know I’m not gonna change your mind and you’re not gonna change mine, but here goes anyways.
    
    My point was this: If scumbag steve’s meme were titled “scumbag stephanie girl”, would you be offended? Why does it matter which gender is picked when making a meme? Gotta pick something. If they’d picked a guy and called it “idiot nerd guy”, not a single thing would change. The meme has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with wannabe nerds. It’s fuckwits like you and some of the other commenters here who have taken it as a personal slight against all female gamers. Fuck…. all this could’ve been avoided if it was “idiot nerd boy”.
    - E
      
      But the entire point is that it isn’t “idiot nerd boy”– it’s “idiot nerd girl.” And no, having a meme with a girl is not inherently sexist, and I would never argue that it is. But based on the real, lived experiences of women I know, gender is incredibly relevant to this meme. It isn’t just about wannabe nerds, it’s about specifically girls who are new to games or pretend to like games or whatever it is. It’s about the fact that nerd culture is often incredibly misogynistic and closed off to women. And perhaps there are people who can look at this meme and not see the fact that it is a young girl who is the noob, but there are plenty of people who look at it and say things like (to quote above) “why shouldn’t gamers be sexist” because girls are annoying/invading our manly spaces/never going to be real nerds? And as long as that remains true, there is a real and meaningful element of misogyny to the meme, one I think this article (correctly) identifies.
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GTFO the internet

So…. you’re saying “part” of the geek community? Yeah…. I call BS. Leave it to a feminist to misinterpret yet another meme. Keep to your FB. This isn’t a global target against all female nerds you degenerate. A great majority of other female nerds will agree and say “Yeah… just because you do X does not make you this” which is completely you true. Oh and Your meme is bad and you should feel bad
Jake

Once again, a feminist blowing things out of proportion. This isn’t saying that ALL girls are posers trying to be nerds, but rather making fun of the ones that are. You are just quick to assume that it’s making fun of women trying to be nerds because you try to find the worst in everything. But hey, I’m a male chauvinist pig, what’s my opinion matter?
Also the new Nerd Girl memes are NOT funny. At all. They just aren’t.
I await the down votes but you know it’s true.
- http://www.facebook.com/Pabloqueseyo Pablo Gerbasi
  
  oh man, thank god someone stand against the big issue of ¨girls pretending to be nerds¨ the fact that you see a trivial dispute when is of course, something more sistematic.
  the new nerd girld meme arent suppose to be funny, they are suposse to say something
- Rion
  
  Friend, can I just say that you’re inherently incorrect?
  The whole point of this post is saying that most guys automatically assume that if a girl professes to be nerdy, she’s faking it for attention. Doubly so if she’s pretty or cute or generally attractive. It’s not saying that you’re a chauvinist pig or whatever else, it’s saying that you discriminate without thinking because you were raised in a culture where that is the norm and because of that you don’t consider the fact that it could be incorrect or upsetting.
  As an example, I’m generally considered attractive (see the cosplay picture attached, which is of me dressed up as movie-’verse Black Widow). I’m curvy, average height, and have a conventionally pretty face with a stupid little princess nose that I sometimes kind of hate. I worked at a GameStop and got hit on more times than I could count by guys who tried to act like they knew more than me about games, and were surprised when I knew what I was talking about. I worked at a movie theater and got surprised looks from customers when they asked for my movie recommendations and I gushed about Avengers or Spider-man or Bourne Legacy. I get weird looks when I walk into my local comic book store to browse or ask about titles that they don’t carry trade paperbacks of (namely, Black Widow, which is really disappointing, but that’s a different story altogether). People don’t believe that I’ve played games like Portal or Mass Effect or Catherine until I talk about them in detail. It BLOWS.
  The problem here is that, honestly, you don’t get this sort of treatment. It doesn’t occur to you. People believe you when you say you’re nerdy. They don’t question you when you wear nerdy t-shirts. They don’t try to explain characters or plots to you if you say you know already. They don’t look at you and think you know less because of your shape or what’s in your pants.
  I know this is a rant in reply to a thoughtless comment, but I feel like it needs explained to you by someone who’s not what you might call an EXTREEEEEME FEMINIST or whatever. Man, I know more misogynist jokes than any guy I know. I can use more power tools than most guys, and I’m pretty sure I know a few dudes who have more shoes or clothes or could even walk better in heels. That’s not the fucking point, though. I just want to be allowed to be nerdy without people doubting me all the goddamn time, y’know?
  - Hello
    
    Yes and yes and yes! So much of this comment is relevant and relate-able!!!
    My entire life has been laden with doubt and quizzes from the opposite sex and only do they shut up AFTER they play Halo with me and on the first try I have the best k/f ratio and most kills, until AFTER I played Guitar Hero or Rock Band on expert, beating their scores, until AFTER I share trivia with them teaching them something about the game, song, movie, artist, etc.
    It never ends.
    It only gets worse with age, it seems, as now after a modeling career and a professional dancer, everything I say is a lie and all my hobbies/interests are berated by appearance alone.
    In my teens on Counter-Strike, it was fun to use the most feminine name and own the scoreboard and to be recruited by a clan, but now that I’m in my mid-twenties, the novelty has not only worn off, but shaved off much interest I ever had in the social aspect altogether. It doesn’t have to be that way, and it shouldn’t be that way, but the enthusiasm simply isn’t there. The homophobic/sexist/racist/overall BIGOTED males who are obsessed with rape and playing with only men can remain obsessed with rape and surrounding themselves by cis gendered players. Player 1 has left the game.
  - E
    
    I really appreciate this comment in general, but I can’t say I don’t resent a little bit some of the implications of that final paragraph. It’s great to be a nerd, and it is great to claim your right to be a part of that community as a woman. I’m sure you didn’t mean for that last paragraph to come off this way, but I have had so many experiences where people use things like that to dismiss my experiences/right to be a part of whatever discussion. The whole idea should be what you said– “it’s not the fucking point.” Your belonging/not belonging to certain female stereotypes shouldn’t be relevant to the conversation. And again, I totally understand where you’re coming from and that you didn’t mean it that way. But who cares if someone does wear heels? If they love clothing or makeup or can’t use tools? Or what if they can use tools– but still love makeup and gaming? You’re allowed to be both. I guess those statements just often come off, to me, as “I’m not like those *other* girls,” and I really really hate that whole idea. You don’t need to defy feminine stereotypes in all areas to be an acceptable nerd, or at least you shouldn’t have to. (And I don’t think knowing/reciting lots of misogynist jokes is really something to be proud of? Even if it helps you fit in with the guys around you.)
    - Nancy Eckert
      
      Who cares? You would be amazed at who cares, friend! I bet every girl here has a pocketful of experiences of someone caring a little too much about their geek credentials. The mere existence of Idiot Geek Girl meme and its defenders are evidence that some people care an awful lot about how geeks should look and act. It isn’t just guys who care, either. Women are at least as likely to engage in “gatekeeping” with other women they perceive as encroaching on their social spaces. You’re doing a bit of it yourself, although I don’t think you mean to–but saying things like “you’re allowed to be [x]” and “You don’t need to do [y] to be an acceptable nerd” you are, in effect, defining acceptable behavior to meet the conditions of “nerd.”
      
      I think the “point” of all this criticism of the meme is that none of us really has the right to define for another (male or female) what a nerd is “allowed” to be (also, it’s kind of silly considering most of us never chose to join the nerd table in the lunchroom). And furthermore, I think a lot of us are peeved that girls (whether it’s in geek-space or politics or industry or even religion; it’s certainly not an isolated occurrence) subjected to such a level of scrutiny (of our bodies as well as our minds!) far beyond our male peers, and are constantly expected to prove our credibility in order to be deemed acceptable.
      
      And that’s not even delving into the consequences of being found unacceptable…
  - Ice Nine
    
    “I just want to be allowed to be nerdy without people doubting me all the goddamn time, y’know?” You’re either nerdy or you aren’t. I’ll take you at your word that you are. What you don’t get in our society is the freedom to not be offended. Freedom of association is a fact, and if you’re not one of the ‘in’ kids then either find another group of nerds to deal with, or leave.
    
    Personally, I’m a hetero male who prefers to hang out with guys in my spare time, both in person and online. I’ve got one (ONE) bonafide female friend outside of my significant other. That being said, the quickest way to get kicked off of one of my game servers is to announce you’re a female.. full stop. Again.. freedom of association. We don’t have to like you, and in some cases (but not all) we don’t even have to tolerate you.
    
    What I do NOT understand is why some ‘nerd girl shamers’ actively pursue nerd girls at everything from cons to LAN parties just to give them shit. These are the guys who have real social development issues. If they don’t like females on their turf, then they should ignore, ostracize, and shun. (Like I’m sure the ladies are going to notice, but it does give the guys the illusion of power).
    
    I view this as an opportunity, if not an imperative, for a separate “she nerd” culture to thrive… just as with female-only spas and gyms.
  - Lance Spencer
    
    That might be because for the longest time (When nerd culture was ridiculed by women) girls did not express interest and often talked down to any man who did show interest in ‘nerd culture”. If you remember in the 80s and 90s nerd was a derogatory term that would often lead to beatings and being made a social outcast, but now that nerd is in style women are now claiming to be “GEEKS, HARD CORE GAMERS, COMIC FANS” and the like. So yes to a group of men that are used to being ridiculed by women we are going to be suspicious of women. Its not misogyny, if anything its a natural reaction to years of misandry on the part of women who would reject and make fun of them for simply liking what they like. If you want to get mad at someone get mad at yourselves.
Karla

WHY ARE YOU FEMINISTS SO FUCKING

STUPID
http://www.facebook.com/nick.canto Nick Canto

This is so retarded. Damn feminist whores. She is stupid and should be put to the trial of the Gaming Gods
- E
  
  Misogyny + bonus ableism! It must be bingo day.
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TT

The best part of this article is reading the comments from whiny boys calling femenists bitches… Way to prove the point, bro.
Ben

They are taking over the world, Kenji was right.
Name don’t matter son

You are insanely naive if you disregard the existence of posers, or in other words insecure teenagers who only identify themselves with a group because they’re desperate for attention and acceptance. “Idiot Nerd Girl” is not about people who make genuine, honest mistakes as a newbie in “nerd culture” (if such a thing even exists), it’s about hypocritical people who try very hard to appeal to a group of people even though have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. Same thing as people who are like “oh yea i fucking love classic rock music. who is led zeppelin?” or “i’m a total bodybuliding freak! what’s a deadlift?”

Also your bringing up sexism as if it’s relevant to the meme is ridiculous and amusing. By the same token are you implying that because Scumbag Steve is a guy, there are no sleazy bitches out there?
Duae

This won’t work. Not because it’s a bad cause, it’s a good cause. But fighting ‘humor’ with preachyness has never worked. If Idiot Nerd Girl is sexist because there’s no Idiot Nerd Boy, then make him! Make him funnier than ING.

Otherwise you’re ‘taking back’ lolcats by taking the cat pictures and replacing the can has chezburger with motivational quotes and wondering why no one thinks it’s awesome.
http://twitter.com/TiredFairy Mariah Huehner

Oh, awesome, a ton of hostile, toxic, misogynists comments from people with poor reading comprehension skills/way too much investment in not dealing with the sexism in geek culture. Fun! 1. It doesn’t matter if the people who made the original meme didn’t “intend” for it to be sexist. It’s called Idiot Nerd GIRL. It is therefore gendered. Denying that it is clearly gendered is obtuse and ridiculous. 2. For context, let’s look at all the examples of misogynist trolling/harassment of any women in geek culture who A. discuss/acknowledge the problem B. simply exist in the geek sphere C. are feminist.

We could just talk about what happened/continues to happen to Anita Sarkeesian and Felicia Day, for starters. Or the twitter troll who was harassing several prominent women in comics who was just outed and got a visit from the police. Or hey, just look at some of fantastic examples of “we just want to piss off feminists!” or flat out misogyny in these responses to someone whose worst “crime” is addressing a crappy meme with humor and intelligence.

We get it, you really hate it whenever anyone points out that sexism is a real thing. But it is and people are sick of it. You’re just going to have to get used to that, and the changes that are already happening in your various online spaces where people aren’t putting up with it anymore. I guess you could stick to your anti-lady guns if you really want to, but that’s just kind of sad.
- Smithy
  
  Why the hell should gamers not be sexist? If the women are going to be annoying and get upset about every tiny thing why should guys be forced to tolerate them? There are girls who act like attention whores on games and this is what this meme is about. ”
  For context, let’s look at all the examples of misogynist trolling/harassment of any women in geek culture who A. discuss/acknowledge the problem” If a guy gets starts complaining about people being mean to him he will get just as much shit. “B. simply exist in the geek sphere” Some do but you can get made fun of for being fat, dumb, etc. Women are picked on more because they are upset so easily from being coddled irl.
  
  Anita Sarkeesian is a dumb woman. “I hate these games made for men, they have sexy looking women in them.” I have never insulted Felicia Day and I actually watch the guild. “Misogyny in these comments” yeeaah no. Hating feminazi bullshit =/= misogyny. Misogyny = hate of women for being women. Not calling a woman dumb for being oversensitive. About the meme. It was an dumb unfunny meme originally and she made it dumber and less funny.
  
  “We get it, you really hate it whenever anyone points out that sexism is a real thing.” Fine say that it is. But you are a guest at these online spaces and the older members aren’t required to do everything they can to make sure you aren’t offended. The community isn’t there to please you, it was happy on it’s own.
  
  Western women are the most pampered group in the world. If people on the internet making fun of you is the oppression you whine about I don’t see how the feminist movement is taken seriously. If feminists spent as much time and money trying to help women in the middle east who are actually oppressed this world would be much better off. But no, it’s much better to make a page dedicated to how offended you are about a relatively unkown picture with a caption.
  - E
    
    “Why the hell should gamers not be sexist?”
    
    …. Wow. Why the hell should I take anything you have to say seriously after this? Really?
    
    “If the women are going to be annoying and get upset about every tiny thing why should guys be forced to tolerate them?”
    
    Your post actually reeks of misogyny and childish protectionism of your precious gender essentialist bullshit. How can you not see how a statement like this is misogynistic?
    
    “I have never insulted Felicia Day and I actually watch the guild.” = the equivalent of “No, I have friends who are gay/black/have disabilities! I can’t be homophobic/racist/ableist!”
    
    “But you are a guest at these online spaces and the older members aren’t required to do everything they can to make sure you aren’t offended.”
    
    1. Yes, being somewhere first immediately implies ownership of that space. Nothing can ever possibly change or evolve. Don’t be silly. 2. Seriously, what? Who “owns” these spaces? Why is x person a guest while y person is a legitimate member? Let me guess. X is a woman and Y is a man. 3. Can I just say that I’m tired of people being so up in arms about how not offending people is OMGZ SO HARD AND DISRUPTIVE. It isn’t that difficult, I promise. Really. 4. If we took your argument as legitimate, can’t you see that you would be a guest in this online space and should maybe consider that?
    
    “Western women are the most pampered group in the world.”
    
    Intersectionality. Have you heard of it? Well, obviously not. But maybe you should look it up. Privileged in one way =/= privileged in all ways.
    - Joshua Issac
      
      A guest is simply one who has not been part of the community until recently.
      
      There is a meme saying that on the Internet, nobody knows that you’re a dog. On the Internet, everyone is equal. But if you seek special privileges such as protection from insults (which tend to be aimed at all Internet users in general) just because of your gender, then don’t be surprised if it draws a negative response from the community.
      - Emma
        
        Women face a whole different type, and harshness, of insults. On the internet, everyone is equal because by default people assume you’re the same as them. Once they realize you’re a woman, things change and that’s when (in some communities) things like rape threats, attempts at doxxing, continued harassment, etc. That’s not equal, so the argument doesn’t fit.
      - ophidic
        
        I guess men and women AREN’T equal after all!
      - Lance Spencer
        
        So what?? I’m a man and I’ve been threatened with rape, with being skull fucked, being killed, etc etc. Its the culture honey if you don’t like it leave but don’t sit here and piss and whine and cry because you got your feelings hurt. This is how I know most of you have no love for the geek culture because what you complain about goes back to the very beginning. If you think this is bad you should have been in the arcades back in the 90s playing Mortal Kombat, Tekken and Street Fighter. People were talking shit right to other peoples faces.
    - ophidic
      
      ableist is not a word.
why did i read this

There is no “idiot nerd boy” because hardly any males pretend to be nerds on the internet to gain attention from their peers with no knowledge of the subject matter.
and please don’t try to tell me putting a photo of yourself with a controller hanging from your mouth by the cord and calling yourself “such a nerd omg XD” isn’t A) attention seeking B) not nerdy at all, i have never known a nerd to be happy with people chewing on his/her cords.
this kind of behavior is what “idiot nerd girl” parodies, find a boy that does the same thing and i very much doubt men on the internet will complain when you make him into “idiot nerd boy”.

why is this argument even a thing? there are no sexist implications behind the meme and there are memes that show men as stupid as well. i haven’t seen any guys writing angrily on their blogs about it.
- Hello
  
  No, there are plenty of idiot nerd boys who pretend to like things they don’t to get attention from girls. Girls may laugh, but they move on. You know the stereotype that guys will say/do anything (like say “i love you”) to get laid? You don’t think nerd boys resort to the same pathetic behavior? Girls just don’t need to go out of their way to humiliate them because we don’t need that pat on the back from other guys to feel tingly in our genitals or that we’re a Big Kid now.
  - Joshua Issac
    
    I am sure that if you made a meme about those guys you speak of, non-feminist bloggers wouldn’t be writing angrily on their blogs about it.
    - Emma
      
      Men’s Rights Activists probably would.
      - Matthew Lane
        
        Nope. MRA’s are to busy actually combating real sexism & unlike women don’t have same group preference to fall back on. You made a “stupid male hipster” meme, most MRA’s would laugh because they realise that “stupid male hipster” is not an attack on men.
      - Truffle
        
        “MRA’s are to busy actually combating real sexism & unlike women don’t have same group preference to fall back on.”
        Okay, this is the funniest parody of clueless mansplainers I’ve ever read.
        It is satire, right?
      - Matthew Lane
        
        Nope/ I’m sorry, but there’s a reason why MRA’s didn’t give two shakes of a flies behind when this came out.
        
        The fact is that people mocking idiot nerd girl really has nothing to do with sexism & everything to do with posers get there comupence.
      - Truffle
        
        Keep up the satire–it’s too funny for words.
        
        “Posers get there comupence.” That is comedy gold.
      - Matthew Lane
        
        Posers always come unstuck… Its what posers do.
      - Truffle
        
        Like Billy Pilgrim becoming unstuck in time????
      - Matthew Lane
        
        Oh i just realsied that you are following me around now, stalking me. Yeah thats not at all creepy.
- Matthew Lane
  
  “There is no “idiot nerd boy” because hardly any males pretend to be nerds on the internet to gain attention from their peers with no knowledge of the subject matter.”
  I would say there is no Idiot Nerd Boy because when i tell a male hipster to fuck off, no one screams “you hate all women” at me.
  I think this will be the first step in a line of many steps to no longer letting bullshit lie. It use to be that women controlled the rules of civil discourse & as such rubbish like emotionalised logic, and feeling became more important then silly little things like data & facts.
  for the last few years however the fact that men & women are equal has slowly been disarming those bulldust techniques of argumentation. But geekdom in general has never had any use for such bulldust rules… Which is to be expected when you take a group of the disposessed & have them team up for mutual support.
  I think women have finally come found a demographic that just won’t accept there bullshit whatsoever: Geekdom. If you show up & you say shit like “lol, i’m such a geek… whats World of Warcraft?” you deserve mocking, regardless of gender.
  
  This emotionalised outcry seems to essentially be damselling, in the hopes that if one complains enough some outside agent will come along & spank the bad geeks & tell them to play nice. i’m sorry, its not going to happen: Geeks don’t want to play nice, we’ve never played nice withpretenders, regardless of gender… Heck, we have no respect for your external authority… Your coolness & sexyness has no power within these walls, you want respect you earn it the same way the rest of us do: Obsessiveness towards our fandoms.
old moon

How did this even get the name “idiot nerd girl”?? its gamer girl, she stands for all the people who make a fool of them selves trying hard to push this geek gamer thing into a fashion trend or low tier hipsters without the money for hot topic relay runs. sort this out op
http://twitter.com/nahnahman Nanadog

Remember when “memes” were more than just stock images with a little joke photoshopped onto it?
Linda

tl;dr
Love

Create ”idiot nerd boy” then. It’s easy, there are countless material you can start with. Stop complaining.
Emma

Reading all these comments and thinking about Anita Sarkeesian and whatnot…it’s REALLY creepy how defensive and hostile these guys get about any woman saying anything other than “lol feminists” when it comes to gaming. Like, the vitriol and amount of time they put into ~hating feminists~ is really odd to me.
- Smithy
  
  Anita Sarkeesian.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI This is all that needs to be said. ”
  it’s REALLY creepy how defensive and hostile these guys get about any woman saying anything other than “lol feminists” when it comes to gaming.” I don’t understand how it’s creepy to not want to listen to a bunch of people bitch about not getting special treatment everywhere they go. Feminists want to control things and seek to limit free speech that’s against them.
  - E
    
    Well that’s… missing the point like whoa. No one is asking for special treatment, just equal. The whole point of the article is that the “nerd world” can be a place of incredible misogyny, and some people object to that. If you don’t want to listen to people thoughtfully challenging the accepted and normative standards of culture, and the ways in which they reinforce misogynistic structures, then why in the world did you think it was a good idea to come onto a website clearly labeled as being a space where women might talk about feminism?
    
    +1 for bringing in an irrelevant free speech argument though. Free speech is not protection from being called a misogynist, an idiot, an asshole, or anything else someone wants to call you. People can say what they want– that’s their prerogative. Mine is to be able to respond to them.
    - Smithy
      
      Your points are very valid. I’ll admit I am a wrong in alot of what I said. I constantly am bothered by people who only select some parts of free speech for protection then I did it myself. Looking back this is very reasonable. But at the time I wasn’t thinking logically. I still don’t like Anita but I see your points.
- Lance Spencer
  
  Have you ever dealt with a feminist? They are pretty easy to hate.
JB

…So men disagree with her by resorting to sexism. Point of this article: proven. You do realise that your mothers/sisters/daughters/girlfriends are women, right? And that women are actually equal to men? Or are you still living in caves? Shameful, guys. I only hope you’re confused teenagers and that you’ll grow out of being so hateful.
Bill Shark

So macros like Scumbag Steve are perfectly fine but female ones are off-limits. Typical feminists.
- http://www.facebook.com/fredriksent Tom Fred
  
  Scumbag Steve is a scumbag because he is a scumbag. It has nothing to do with him being part of a stereotype
  
  Idiot Nerd Girl isn’t “idiot nerd”. Its Idiot Nerd GIRL!
  
  Read the article, please. There is a very real obstacle women face when entering nerd culture, and that is explained in the article. Just because you fail to understand it doesn’t make you dumb, but it makes you stubborn AND dumb if you continue to deny it exists just because you don’t see it the same way a woman does.
asdf

You
are insanely naive if you disregard the existence of posers, or in
other words insecure teenagers who only identify themselves with a group
because they’re desperate for attention and acceptance. “Idiot Nerd
Girl” is not about people who make genuine, honest mistakes as a newbie
in “nerd culture” (if such a thing even exists), it’s about hypocritical
people who try very hard to appeal to a group of people even though
have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. Same thing as people
who are like “oh yea i fucking love classic rock music. who is led
zeppelin?” or “i’m a total bodybuliding freak! what’s a deadlift?”

Also your bringing up sexism as if it’s relevant to the meme is
ridiculous and amusing. By the same token are you implying that because
Scumbag Steve is a guy, there are no sleazy bitches out there?
asdfasdasd

LOL You
are insanely naive if you disregard the existence of posers, or in
other words insecure teenagers who only identify themselves with a group
because they’re desperate for attention and acceptance. “Idiot Nerd
Girl” is not about people who make genuine, honest mistakes as a newbie
in “nerd culture” (if such a thing even exists), it’s about hypocritical
people who try very hard to appeal to a group of people even though
have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. Same thing as people
who are like “oh yea i fucking love classic rock music. who is led
zeppelin?” or “i’m a total bodybuliding freak! what’s a deadlift?”

Also your bringing up sexism as if it’s relevant to the meme is
ridiculous and amusing. By the same token are you implying that because
Scumbag Steve is a guy, there are no sleazy bitches out there?
Kiki

Great article. So many good points.
Marshun

Tell me Butthurt Dweller and Foul Bachelor Frog are sexist.

As for nerd gatekeeping, your judgment of it is determined by your interpretation. A meme inherently has no absolute meaning because, by definition, it is changed when it passes from person to person and branches out into new varieties. If you think a given instance is funny, good for you; if it offends you, either you’re being overly sensitive or someone took the meme too far.
e.b.

I found this discussion while laughing over various memes. Very interesting. The hate from both sides really muddles the good points made by both males and females here. From what I can tell, women want to be free to express their interest in nerd things and welcomed by others( males mostly) into the nerd community without being shot down, labeled attention seeking posers etc. Men who are already nerds and who may have grown up being ignored/ mistreated by girls (yes it happens) for being nerdy expect women to be shallow, mean, etc. So if they see that an attractive woman is actually into nerd things, they might be thrown off, confused, even threatened by it for various reasons. Instead of embrace female nerds, they push them away. This upsets female nerds of course, so they push back. Its a shame we have to argue instead of geeking out together and possibly making more geek babies lol. Being a medium-high level nerd myself, I think if I met a cute nerdy girl I too would be taken aback at first. I might test her sincerity to the nerd title (without being a snob about it), then decide I like her and invariably develop a stupid crush. Hm, thats one thing you gals might consider also. You could easily surround yourself with guy friends to geek out with and be like “we’re just friends ”. But like- minded girls are so rare. You will be drooled over. Tis a bit tougher to pal around with you if you are cute. Its easier to let it be a male dominated realm. Not saying its right. Its just that you are… distracting :p
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Randall Taylor

Its gut wrenching to go through life being bullied for what you like/believe in only to have one of the people that did it turn around and act like its all cool now. The people that would have bullied you are claiming to be one of you. People that know nothing about the subjects they claim to love are doing it not because it will attract men, but because its cool now. This meme is about that jackass that would have thrown a milk carton at you for liking something are acting like they loved it the whole time, and you think calling BS is wrong? Why? If you notice, the meme is about posers acting like being a nerd is cool now. Because the meme implies solidly that the person is not in fact what they claim to be because the basic knowledge is so woefully lacking that they could ONLY be pretending.

An example you may relate to. “feminism is awesome. Who the fuck is Susan B. Anthony?”.
You would revile a person like that. You wouldn’t want them pretending
to be like you, you wouldn’t want to see them or continue knowing they existed. So why is it an offense to hate someone that says they love Star wars but doesn’t know who George Lucas is. Someone that says they love The Hobbit but doesn’t know who Tolkien is.

nerds. Nerds everywhere.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/372/012/24f.jpg
- Randall Taylor
  
  Out of my own morbid curiosity, Do you think making fun of the girls that take pictures of themselves kissing/licking controllers and claiming to be gamers/nerds is wrong to?
Sunny

First of all, I’m a geek. And I
happen to be a girl.
I did not choose to be either one of those things, I’ve just been those things for as long as I can remember.

Two decades ago when I was in
school, I was picked on and beaten up for wearing glasses. I was constantly
teased for reading comics and thinking shows like Stargate and Farscape were
awesome. I was too busy playing video games to learn how to plat Barbie hair. Boys
would always ask for my help in media classes, but no one dared ask me out
because at the end of the day, I was still that weird brain kid. And hardly
anyone wanted to come to my birthday parties because since I was 5, I always insisted
everyone dress up in some sort of cosplay.

It was only a few years ago in
my mid-twenties that being a geek started to be accepted. It’s not so weird to
cosplay for conventions and hug children who think you’re the real Psylocke or the real Harley Quinn. It’s no longer shunned to have comics bagged and boarded
in boxes around your room, or thousands of dollars worth of DC and Marvel collectibles
in mint condition. (And to think, my mother said all that pocket money I was
putting to toys was a waste.) The glasses I hated and constantly got stolen or
broken in school are now apparently hot – even though I wear contacts now due
to a childhood of insults and abuse eating away at my self confidence and a fear of being hit in the face by footballs.

The Idiot Nerd Girl meme isn’t
some angry sexist attack and it’s foolish to see it that way. As a REAL geek, I
find girls who pretend to be geeks and nerds incredibly insulting to my kind.
THEY are the ones that are an insult to women for making us all look like
attention seeking, brain-dead whores. The make the real female geek an even uglier stereotype – a shallow, attention-seeking bimbo with lenses glasses and a low-cut top who can’t even Wikipedia who Picard is because they don’t even know the spelling.

Believe it or not, there ARE some
blatantly shallow and insecure girls out there with no substance who try to
pose as geeks and nerds for attention. these girls are the fake geek/gamer/nerd girls that put the real geeks to shame and make us uncomfortable in our own community. I’ve witnessed them more than I care to at conventions. And why the geek world? Because
unfortunately, some geeks are guys who are too nervous and shy to approach
women, some geeks are people who were picked on their whole lives and feel that
weird tingle when one of the “beautiful people” stoops to our lowly, geeky
level. And these arseholes feed on it. I’ve had many of my geeky male friends be used and crushed by these girls who expect to be pampered and praised because they’re the allusive “hot geek girl”. And I’ve been picked on – in comic stores on Free Comic Book Day and even at pop culture conventions, in my own f*cking geeky element that I’ve lived my whole life – by these girls for being short or for not being a voluptuous pin up or for squeeling in excitement whenever I see a collectible that catches my eye. (If I’m going to be mocked for my conduct and costume at a convention because I’m excited and passionate without care of what anyone else thinks, I ask the question: Isn’t being excited and passionate the point of it all, not how many boys follow your Facebook?)

So it offends me now when
“fake geek girls” suddenly come in and try to gain attention in our
geek bubble that they were sh*tting all over a mere 10 years ago.

Suddenly, I’m insulted by guys
for wearing cosplay – not because I’m a geek, but because my fake tits don’t
obscure the bottom half of my face and I choose to be cannon over slutty. Suddenly,
I find myself tearing my hair out at conventions when some idiot girl points
out a Green Lantern logo and says, “Look baby, a Sheldon shirt”. Suddenly, I’m
the one that’s a freak for approaching that girl in the Transformers shirt at a party and
asking her which one is her favourite when she doesn’t even know the difference
between an Autobot and a Deceptacon – “Oh, I just wear this shirt because my
boyfriend likes it”.

Suddenly, I’m the outcast again
in my own community of geeky outcasts thanks to these attention-seeking brats. Suddenly, if you’re not the hot geek girl ideal these fakers project, you’re out.

And I’m sick of it.

So please fake geek girls, give
us our pride back. Give us REAL geek girls the right to go into comic stores
and attend conventions and wear cosplay and play DOTA without being called
posers and attention whores just because you’ve tainted us with your
attention-seeking poser brush. Find another fad to abuse.

Oh, and ditch the Chainsaw
Lollipop outfit and actually play the game for once.
/rant
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Samantha-Orum/568841245 Samantha Orum
  
  Loved the rant. <3
- Jim
  
  Thank-you. I was scrolling down wondering why no-one had made this point, which sums up what annoyed me most about the article. The only people that the author and everyone keeps replying to though seems to be the ‘mens rights’ type assholes that drag the conversation down to the usual ‘stupid feminists’ rhetoric and then the feminists shout ‘stupid misogynists’ back at them and everyone suffers as they both go at it like Batman and the Joker.
  
  Meanwhile down here a decent comment like this actually gets overlooked which actually offers something positive to the debate.
  
  I’m not saying there isn’t sexism online and within the nerd subculture (as there most definitely, definitely is), but can we just discuss it rationally and actually get down to the real issues?
- Truffle
  
  Just a thought–how about ignoring the fake geek girls? And why is there so little discussion of fake geek guys? There have to be those out there.
  - henry
    
    you do see examples of guys desperately spouting old memes or talking about how much they love some cut down version of a classic series without knowing anything about the true original. However, I get the feeling that they do this in an attempt to fit in with their male peers; even if it’s possible for girls to find ‘geeky knowledge’ attractive it’s still an ingrained idea that nerdiness is not attractive and so there is no point in pretending for that reason. I believe the tradition is for men to base their worth on the opinions of other men (e.g. academia) but for women to simply net the man with the biggest wage etc to look after (just watch any 50′s PSA).
    
    This is why headlines about female musicians etc tend to be ‘look how pretty she is and she just married a male musician who may even be less famous’.
- Liana
  
  What a breath of fresh air–someone who “gets it” instead of just spouting off about how ING is treated poorly simply because she’s a girl and all male nerds are misogynists. Your story hits really close to home, and let me just say: I know the girls you speak of intimately, because I am too often mistaken for one. But unlike those girls, I will never judge someone for being passionate about something. You are intelligent, articulate, and not ashamed to love things that only a short while ago were made fun of by the “cool kids” that now claim they’ve always loved them. It doesn’t matter if you don’t cosplay as Slave Leia or a sluttified Pikachu at cons, because you are a beautiful person. I just wish I had more friends like you IRL. Girls who give a crap about stuff and do so not just because it’s socially acceptable are hard to find in this world.
  Sorry to gush, I just feel as though people as awesome as you are aren’t acknowledged for it often enough, you know?
- http://twitter.com/BlinkySauce Gabriel Johnson
  
  canon*
Sophie

Thank you so much for writing this. I never wanted to class myself as a nerd or geek, because I always knew I wasn’t the nerdiest out there, and being called on it was a massive possibility. From a few bad experiences, I was basically turned off video games and comics entirely- I stuck to books, because at least I’d made an inroad there. I always wonder what I missed, just because of a few stupid guys who couldn’t cope with me not being an instant expert.
Nemo

“I hate it because it vilifies enthusiasm”

its not the enthusiasm its the girls who are not interested in the culture but want to reap the social benefits of being in a culture that has little female interaction

“…and make the geek community so seethingly toxic to female members–and especially female newcomers”

rule 32. “lurk more” women wouldn’t have troubles with men criticizing their comments if said comments aren’t misinformed. they might disagree with opinions but everyone is subject to that. if you want to talk about something know what you are talking about. don’t label them as mistakes, a mistake is when you know right and don’t act within it errors, like assuming link is zelda. assuming link is zelda is a lack of research and would earn a guy just as much flak. both people would be told to “lurk moar”

the meme is just pointing out that the population of people pretending to be nerds (pretending is the key word) is almost entirely women and slutshaming them for being two-faced to fulfill some need for attention that they clearly aren’t getting fulfilled elsewhere i dont know why they come to nerds and lead them on *cough* easier to get attention from the socially inept *cough*
- still nemo
  
  sorry this was kinda tossed together i didn’t feel like spending the time to organize the haphazard disagreements with the rabid feminism of the author
  
  i say rabid because she has taken issue with this meme on the grounds if it being a girl viewed in a negative light.
  
  its this kind of rabidity and snapping at any negative portrayal of a woman that gives feminists a bad name…
  
  also sorry if i sound vitriolic, its not my intent. i just think that this interpretation of the meme is a reach made with a skewed worldview
http://www.facebook.com/people/Samantha-Orum/568841245 Samantha Orum

I don’t know that I can claim to be a full blown nerd, but I would certainly consider myself to be straddling the line (and some of my friends might stick me in nerd territory). That said, I know plenty of people (mostly girls) that pull this kind of thing. They slap thick glasses on and then rave about what a loser they are for liking the Avengers movie. It’s annoying. You know they’re just trying to look cool and get attention. I don’t think this meme was about sexism or trying to tell others they don’t know who they are. I think it’s a genuine response to the geeks that resent being invaded by fakers because it’s suddenly the cool thing to do. Attractive people can be nerdy, no one is spending all their time denying that. (Although you could posit that their experience as attractive nerds is different anyway because you can pretty much be into anything and people will look past it if they like the way you look.) But it’s kind of insulting to have people pretend to be into something that you hold near and dear because it’s trendy. It’s like people are turning an entire lifestyle into a bandwagon and hopping on. And then ten years from now, they’ll be over it and onto to something else and the geeky people will be considered bottom feeders once again.
pylgrim

A bit late to this discussion but I feel the need to point this: What the author misses is that “fake nerd girls” are a reality: a subset of women that either consciously or not preys on, mocks, and vilifies male geeks.

Whenever topics of gender discrimination on nerd culture crops up, fingers are immediately pointed at us males and our disgusting, insecurity-revealing misogyny and lack of consideration for a woman’s feelings. However, I never see anyone saying a word about the men’s feelings! (Admittedly, because most boys are too stuck up with the idea of never admitting to have feelings so they won’t stand for it.) No one to stand up and say “Hey, you know, there IS actually a thing as girls that pretend to be nerds just to mess up with male nerds. Who will take a picture with fake glasses and then have a laugh as she cruelly informs her friends of all the slobbering idiots believing it. Why no one will consider the feelings of those guys?”

The answer is: because it’s already widely socially encouraged to believe nerd male are subhuman. Misogynia is just a new charge to pile up on the huge amount of cruel stereotypes and hatred that maybe deservedly or not have popularly been associated with the culture. Nerds are a very easy target and their mistrust (and yeah, in some cases, pure hatred) of women is largely a result of being made fun/having their feelings toyed with/being treated like scum by girls before. Obviously, no one will mention that; the only thing worth of mentioning is the sad, pathetic nerd and his scummy mysogynia. Is it then, surprising (note I’m not saying “excusable”) that there is some gatekeeping? Some conditioned behaviour to believe that a pretty girl wanting to be part of your reviled gang doesn’t have mean intentions? Unfortunately this means that some times genuinely interested girls will be turned away and have reasons to join in the anti-geek hatred.

I want to finish by making clear that I’m neither attacking or defending either group: Both are guilty of truly inexcusable behaviour. The only reason for this rant is because defending the girl-side of the matter is the much more popular thing to do. Girls obviously will defend their own interests and males that want to get on the good side of said girls will quickly condemn their fellow males not to get smeared and to appear decent and progressive (regardless of that being a genuine thing or not,) so I wanted to stand by the other side, and politely remind people that there are two sides to any conflict.
- Emma
  
  http://oxboxer.tumblr.com/post/36080273132/i-know-why-everyones-so-scared-of-fake-geek
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Jakob Creek

As far as “There is no Idiot Nerd Boy meme” goes, we took offence at the “jocks” who considered themselves geeks having played only Halo OR Madden. It was a few years ago, granted, I suppose The Internet has a pretty short attention span/memory, so it’s ok that you forgot. All your other points are valid enough. Nerds be socially awkward, amirite?
Coza

Holy shit, please let this article be a troll.
Jim

EAT MY PHAT DICK
Eric H

eh i call bullshit. its a stupid picture, with stupid words, talking about stupid things, made for stupid people. not everything needs to made into a revolution, its not logical. let stupid be stupid by itself
Anon

Male gamers might largely be a bunch of basement dwelling, racist, homophobic haterade drinking jerks, but the ones that are don’t pretend to be anything else. And therein lies the heart of this meme – something we all share – a hate of fakery, a hate of pretending to be something you’re not especially for social acceptance. Idiot Nerd Girl isn’t an idiot because she confuses Zelda for a man – it’s because she’s faking it for social acceptance. This doesn’t mean all girls are, just her.

Fakes are generally not tolerated in society at virtually every level for many reasons which should be obvious. I’d wager it’s likely rooted in an evolutionary instinct to avoid teaming with those unqualified to add value to your group.

The author doesn’t seem to understand this, as evidenced by “if she wants to write “nerd” on her hand without backing it up with action, you know what? That’s okay, too.” You don’t have a slippery slope of what’s acceptable in your social clique, you instead live at the bottom of the cliff where anything goes. Gamers and geeks just want genuineness. Being exclusionary along these lines as part of a social clique based on arbitrary rules is not the exclusive domain of nerds – I’d even venture as far to say it was invented by anything but nerds. Nerds always thought they were above such behavior, but turns out it’s human nature.

Idiot Nerd Girl is an archetype of all gamer culture fakers and liars. We recognize that gamer or geek knowledge is a spectrum, NOT a “have it or don’t”, but as with any interest, field of study, there is a certain degree of achievement that represents basic competency. Some don’t have that and are pretending they do, and that’s what Idiot Nerd Girl is.

The toxicity that seethes is a byproduct of natural male behavior as it evolves in a world absent of females – accumulation of knowledge, competitiveness, and to think it is reserved for outsiders or females tells me you’ve never visited the wretched hives of scum and villainy that are gamer and tech forums, 4chan, or ever used voice in an online game and seen how male geeks treat each other every day.
Mbaggs

HAHAHA Writing this article is the biggest idiot nerd girl thing anyone could ever do.
not mad at all.

this is not so pointed at girl gamers as much as it is pointed at the hilarity that some person can just take up an identity of a geek or a nerd, and be cool with it, whereas in the past it would have made her a target. i dont care if it’s cool or not, but if anyone comes to me, looking for recognition for something she damn well knows sh e doesnt deserve, i will react just the same as if it was a boy. god knows they can be idiots as well, but even if you women got your rights back then in seventy-go-fuck-yourself, you cant be happy, you commplain, about wages (psst; men earn more because, generally they work more..(to buy shit for you dickfarts too) which means more money) in my opinion, great whoop dee fucking doo women are standing up for themselves and being the strong people that they are and so on and so forth, but if it interrupts my life, (as a long time internaught) i get mad. why do i get mad, because equality does not mean “make up for all the shit men did 50 years ago” it means that the weight is even. and it has never been “evener”, well yes it has, my father recently got laid off, because in the workplace, there have to be more women, i mean, seriously is that fair? if so then take a long look in the mirror before you manage to lose all connection to reality and take the opportunity to fuck yourself right in the kitchen where bitches like you belong. to the rest of you still attached to your common sense, GG WP, and so fourth, no matter our gender we are all shitheads and idiots, some idiots just have a little more shit in their heads..
- Emma
  
  Neat!
not mad at all.

ofc my comment got deleted, you vaggots cant handle a little swearing
Joshua Issac

“Nerd” itself is a stereotype. And that stereotype includes “white”, “teens/early twenties” and “male”, along with certain other “qualities” that Idiot Nerd Girl lacks, such as reading comics, or other things that nerds supposedly do.

The “girl” is there because the number of female nerds is small, compared to the number of male nerds. So when a nerd is female, people say “nerd girl” instead of “nerd”, similar to how people say “manbag” for a handbag used by men. In both cases, the gender is added to show that the nerd/bag in question does not fit the current gender stereotype associated with it. If more girls identified as nerds, then perhaps the ratio would become more equal, and the “girl” part would be dropped.

The division of the word in the meme isn’t (Idiot Nerd) (Girl), but (Idiot) (Nerd Girl).
- Emma
  
  I do agree with how the division goes as (Idiot) (Nerd Girl), but there’s definitely not a lack of women identifying as nerds – just when we do, we’re tested and distrusted and threatened and accused of lying for male attention (to which I say LOL, we don’t want it that badly).
  
  For the ratio to be more equal, the community needs to stop intentionally and routinely driving women out and making it a shitty place for us to be. As it is now, the reason guys don’t recognize as many female nerds is (in my opinion) that many nerd girls keep to themselves and hang out with each other rather than delve into the community at large, because when we do we get called Idiot Nerd Girls and told to go away.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Siqueira/531716613 Daniel Siqueira
    
    omg! someone challenged my beliefs, I must ostracize myself and criticize everyone from this community. face the challenges, come out on top and revolutionize gender relations. any community as proud of being so secluded and unpopular as nerds will be suspicious and aggressive towards those perceived as foreigners. WOMEN need to stand their ground, unite and make men see how real you are about it, don’t give me this “passive” “the community needs to” bullshit. You are a strong, determined woman, you can change the world, you have agency over your actions and they have consequences, stop victimizing normal social rank disputes
http://twitter.com/emmaisadilemma emma

What a lot of people crying “but what about the REAL idiot nerd girls, they exist!” seem to not realize is how they themselves have actually supported the creation of these “idiot nerd girls.” Media very often panders to the idea of women needing to submit to a man’s desires and that men should expect that they will be put first. A lot of these “idiot nerd girls” are playing into the idea that they must make themselves desirable to a male subset, in this case, nerds. Media representations of women do not only affect women’s views of themselves, they also affect men’s views on women.

So when you see the photo of a sexy girl chewing on a controller cord, ask yourself why that image was created in the first place. It’s meant to appeal to the nerd/geek subset by offerring someone who is both traditionally sexy and shares your interests. When girls see this, they internalize the implication that they need to appeal to your interests, regardless of their own interest or noninterest.
- Ice Nine
  
  I don’t care why the image was created, and my views of women are contingent upon three things: physical fitness (a form of discipline), intelligence, and compassion. If your brain is rewired and you cannot work around it due to the ‘media’ then that’s your problem.
Nerdgirlmom

The real life Nerd Girl is a geeks best friend. She endured some real life hardships and was severly injured as a young child. There are scars as a result of the accident, and she was teased. Growing up into a beautiful young woman, she has always stood up for others being teased, including nerds, gamers, whatever title people chose to put on themselves. I couldn’t be more proud of her, she is kind to all, a friend to those who need one, and a huge supporter of her gamer-nerd-brother. Yes Rachel, you would like to hang out with her, and she would check out your dog-eared Game Over book. Most of all, she would never judge anyone the way some have judged her on these posts. I loved your write up, thanks for giving her a chance, and standing up for other women in this interesting sub-culture. BTW, her uncle has a comic book collection that would put any elitist nerd to shame.
Nerdgirlmom

And for the record, Nerd Girl is not an idiot, and she is one hell of a daughter. I am so proud of her, she is a wonderful person. She really does have black glasses, tho’ they are a tad smaller than these ones.
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Matthew Lane

“There is no Idiot Nerd Boy meme.”
Actually there is, we call them hipsters. The only difference is you can tell a hipster to fuck off & no one tries to make out that you hate all women.
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Coitus Creampie

Good…let the hate flow through you.

Anyway, why do women even care about breaking into geek/nerd territory? Don’t you have anything better to do?
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If someone posts a joke on the Internet and a woman doesn’t get offended, did it even happen?
Sincerely, a girl who hates feminists.
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This reminds me of the time when skateboarding apparel was popular in the late 90s-early 2000s. I regret when I used to call people (mostly women) posers because I thought they didn’t skate, yet wore the clothing brands. Many admitted they didn’t actually skateboard, but when I called a girl that actually skated a poser… she let me have it. I got a cursing stampede form her and I never called anyone a poser after that. Besides, even those who don’t skateboard are entitled to wear the clothes. So in regards to nerds insinuating that girls fake being nerdy, every single girl friend of mine that sports a Zelda shirt to a Pokemon backpack actually plays video games and would be considered nerdy. :>
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